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Using TOP w/diameter on square feature? (1444 read)
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1. Using TOP w/diameter on square feature?
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Is it acceptable to use a true position control with a diameter to locate a square pin?

The logic here is that the pin(s) are assembling into holes in a mating connector. Also the points of the square pins are often spherical radii.

TIA! Dan (ondabass)

Date: Aug 29, 2006 on 07:01 a.m.
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I'd recommend the combination of profile tolerance and position control on the boundary. A simple position tolerance does not clock the pins about whatever axis one might establish. See figure 6-19 of the Y14.5M-1994 standard.

Alternatively, bidrectional positional tolerance could be used - this also can control clocking of the pins.

Carefully consider datum selection that is representative of what controls the location and orientation of the housings.

Dave.

Date: Aug 31, 2006 on 12:05 a.m.
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Don,
This is a good question and should evoke some interesting conversation. Here is my 2 cents worth.

The answer depends on the intended usage:

1. As a secondary datum, a TOP dia callout is acceptable as long as it is fitting into a diameteral hole. Clocking in this case is not important as it will still orient itself as required for location.

2. As a tertiary datum (pin into a slot) clocking becomes important as it will cause unexcepted shifts in location if not correctly presented to the slot. I would recommend a TOP applied as 2 // planes in the critical direction.

NOTE: The above 2 scenario's are just examples of possible datum applications and are not meant to represent the only possible cases.

3. For applications where, say a square pin is fitting into a square hole, clocking of the two features becomes critical and Dave's suggestion of using the boundary function is excellent.

What I am suggesting here is to completely analyze and understand the proposed application and then apply the appropriate geometric control that will provide the desired results.

Larry

Date: Aug 31, 2006 on 11:17 a.m.
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